2023-12-13 12-30-27 RCMP Civilian Review Corporal Stevens SAYS THIS GOES TO POLICE
[00:00:00] Sergent Stevens: Sergeant Stevens,
[00:00:16] Scott Jewers: uh, good morning Mr. Stevens. How are you? Uh,
[00:00:19] Sergent Stevens: good. Is this Scott?
[00:00:20] Scott Jewers: Uh, this is Scott. Yeah. Good guess. Hey, hey,
[00:00:22] Sergent Stevens: hey, Scott. How you doing?
[00:00:23] Scott Jewers: Uh, doing good, man. I was wondering if you had like, just like two minutes. I'll be quick. I just wanted to Yeah, sure. Ask you something. Yeah, yeah,
[00:00:29] Sergent Stevens: yeah, yeah.
[00:00:30] Scott Jewers: Um, I was thinking about this a lot last night.
Now you said like you, you're investigating police wrongdoing, right? Um, so like I was wondering, like I've got instances of children being harassed and targeted, um, disabled women being targeted. I've got this, these issues that are directly within the criminal code. You know, with the GPS 184, uh, I've got serious incidents of, there was an investigation of fraud and harassment. Um, there's a newspaper article, me being stalked up and down the road by police. I've got pictures of police vests that were found. Um, who would I report this to? If you're not the one who investigates this, who would you recommend I take this to?
[00:01:06] Sergent Stevens: Um, so I, I mean, I guess it depends, you know, which, which police like forces you're dealing with, right? Like, or, or the jurisdiction is obviously that comes into play, like, um, like I know, are these all like RCMP jurisdictions or they, is it, is it HRP or,
[00:01:24] Scott Jewers: well, it's, it's kind of spread, right? And when it comes down to criminal, like actual crimes or a criminal investigation on. Especially when it's into the police Right. Itself. I'm not really sure. But is that your recommendation then that I take it to the police?
[00:01:39] Sergent Stevens: Well, again, without, without knowing all the details. Right. 'cause I, I don't have
[00:01:43] Scott Jewers: Well, if somebody threatened your children, would you take it to the police? Yeah. You would
[00:01:49] Sergent Stevens: abs No, absolutely. Yeah,
[00:01:50] Scott Jewers: that's right. Somebody threatened your mother, Mr. Stevens, would you take it to the police?
[00:01:55] Sergent Stevens: Yes, absolutely.
[00:01:56] Scott Jewers: Absolutely. That's right. So when I took this to the police, what did they do?
[00:02:00] Sergent Stevens: Okay. I don't, I don't know. 'cause that's what I'm trying to get.
[00:02:03] Scott Jewers: I know I'm, I know, man. I know, I know. It's not a trick question, it's just to show you my line of reasoning there.
Right. So,
[00:02:09] Sergent Stevens: yeah. Yeah.
[00:02:09] Scott Jewers: I just wanted to call to get your opinion on that because like I did take it to the police man, and here's what happened. I asked them to police sit down and talk with me because this was very serious. And they said, we're gonna get you papers to file a complaint because we are a conflict of interest. And then they just came back and arrested me.
[00:02:26] Sergent Stevens: Okay.
[00:02:27] Scott Jewers: That's right. So this is really serious and I've got the video and I've got the reviews from these parties showing I was completely calm the entire time, asking 'em why they're doing this.
[00:02:35] Sergent Stevens: Mm-hmm.
[00:02:36] Scott Jewers: And I went to report Serious Crimes where children were literally threatened, literally, man, there was an SUV stalking children so bad that neighbors called the police twice because they thought it was pedophiles. They had to go and confront them. Like these are serious quantified accusations by witnesses that have nothing to do with me.
[00:02:52] Sergent Stevens: Okay,
[00:02:52] Scott Jewers: and, and these are repeated events. I had my nephew ask me, why are these people taking pictures of us?
[00:02:59] Sergent Stevens: Right
[00:02:59] Scott Jewers: I mean, when you get to a point like that, who do you take it to? Except the police, obviously the police. And then this is the way I'm being treated. When, when Jessica showed up here at my house, I'll say this last piece.
[00:03:11] Sergent Stevens: Yep.
[00:03:12] Scott Jewers: She was going on, she said, can't you see how people would think you have a mental illness? I'm like, what do you mean you've never met me before? I'm like, these people falsely arrested me.
And she was going on so bad that the other officer put his hand on her shoulder and said, you need to stop.
[00:03:25] Sergent Stevens: Okay,
[00:03:26] Scott Jewers: this is, this is way above our pay grade. And I said, well, now that you're done berating me, I'd like to discuss the evidence. And I told her about the GPS and everything. She puts her hands in her hair and she takes a deep breath.
She's like, oh my God, maybe you're not supposed to know. Do you ever think that? And I'm just like, yeah. That's the attitude you get from policing.
[00:03:43] Sergent Stevens: Mm, thank you.
[00:03:45] Scott Jewers: So, like that's what I, that's what I mean, man. So like, I'm trying to report this to the police and every time that I do, I get literally criminally harassed by these individuals.
Imagine sending men with guns to your house when you can't even answer basic questions.
[00:03:58] Sergent Stevens: Mm-hmm.
[00:03:59] Scott Jewers: Right? So that, that's right. I would've backed off. I'm just asking questions. Why would you send men with guns? To my house to threaten me and a disabled woman?
[00:04:06] Sergent Stevens: Mm-hmm.
[00:04:06] Scott Jewers: My mother passed away and the morning she passed away, the premier showed up at the hospital. Do you know that from the notes?
[00:04:13] Sergent Stevens: Yeah, I did read, I did read that you, you had written that in or reported that to the CRCC I did. I did. Uh,
[00:04:18] Scott Jewers: that's right.
[00:04:19] Sergent Stevens: That, yeah,
[00:04:20] Scott Jewers: that's right. So, I mean, you can, you can believe me or not, but you see the how inappropriate that is.
[00:04:25] Sergent Stevens: Mm-hmm.
[00:04:25] Scott Jewers: Right? If, if you've got people saying, I have a mental illness, why would the premier show up? But I've got evidence of it, I'm okay with that. That same morning witnesses reported lights in my house, possible break and enter. I reported it to RCMP. Nobody contacted me back.
[00:04:39] Sergent Stevens: Okay.
[00:04:39] Scott Jewers: That's right. I never in. If you seen, if some, if your neighbors reported there were lights in your house, well, who would you report it to?
[00:04:47] Sergent Stevens: Yeah. So you did re you did report that
[00:04:49] Scott Jewers: several times? Yep. Several times, man, asking them to please look into it. I went in and sat in a room with Jessica begging for her help.
[00:04:57] Sergent Stevens: Okay. Yea.
[00:04:58] Scott Jewers: So you understand why I am upset with her, and then to have her threatening me on that recording.
[00:05:04] Sergent Stevens: Yeah, yeah. No, I, I, I, I, I get where you're coming from, I guess, like,
[00:05:08] Scott Jewers: yeah
[00:05:09] Sergent Stevens: to my, to my point, like. Like, obviously I have all the writings and stuff you provided to the, the CRC already, but like, um, yeah, you know, it's, it's hard. It's hard without having all the details. Right. Is what I'm kind of, what I kind of alluded to, um, before, like the dates of when these things happened, who you spoke to, that type of thing.
I mean, I have a general, general idea based on what you've told me and what I've read, but, um, you know, that was kind of some of the things that I wanted to try to clarify.
[00:05:38] Scott Jewers: Hey. I know, and I'm, I'm scared to tell you anything because everything I've said's been used against me, man. I went in and begged those officers to please sit down and talk to me because I'm a global technical expert and these in these, these topics are extremely sensitive and we need to sit down and talk about it.
They came back and just arrested me. Would you trust the police after that?
[00:05:58] Sergent Stevens: No. I understand where you're coming from.
[00:05:59] Scott Jewers: That's right. So it's nothing to do with you, man. Any reasonable person would be acting the way that I'm acting right now.
[00:06:05] Sergent Stevens: Mmm
[00:06:05] Scott Jewers: Right. You'd be concerned. You wouldn't trust the police. This isn't paranoia. I have every reason to not trust the police. If the police can't answer basic questions. You know what that is? If I couldn't answer a basic question like the police are doing with me, you know what they would do with me? Right? It'd be massively suspicious. They would continue whatever, whatever. So, and they know that.
So this isn't equality. They don't view me as a human. They don't view me as somebody who has rights. They view me as somebody that's like a threat to their jobs because they know how bad this is. So when you, when you look at it, it, yeah. So that's why I'm wondering who do I report this to? Because if you are unable to tell me, and I'm reporting these crimes, then to me, the way that the Canadian law is written that I have authority to resolve this.
[00:06:48] Sergent Stevens: Mm-hmm.
[00:06:49] Scott Jewers: Right?
[00:06:49] Sergent Stevens: So you, if I'm not being deferred to the proper body by a man who has guns and authority, and these are serious crimes, then I have a right to basically protect myself as long as it's reasonably within the law. Right, that I'm not hurting anybody or doing anything like that. And that's now going to involve releasing certain pieces of information that may compromise individuals. But given that the police are not providing me a route to look into this, what other option do I have when I've been abused so severely?
Yeah.
[00:07:14] Scott Jewers: I don't really have another option, so I want you to know that, that that's why I'm handling it like this. Okay.
[00:07:19] Sergent Stevens: Yeah, no, that, that's fair. That's fair. And I, I, I sympathize with what you're going through and stuff.
I wish I had, uh, obviously it's a complex thing and I wish I had better advice or, or, um. No information that I could provide you. I guess I know the only thing I can really, the only thing I can really say is, um, you know, you're right, you do have a right to, you know, report, uh, you know, uh, complaints or, or, you know, suspected criminal, uh, uh, incidents and stuff to police.
And obviously that has to be the police of jurisdiction. It's not necessarily, uh, you know. Uh, you know, you call one police service and it's gonna necessarily deal with all of the things that you're alleging. 'cause I think from what I gathered, you're talking about different, um, different police forces in some cases, and then obviously different jurisdictions as well.
So, I mean, that complicates it as well. But I mean, generally speaking, to answer your question, you do have the right to contact the police and, and file a complaint. Yes.
[00:08:18] Scott Jewers: Right. And think about it, man. If I'm just retarded, then why not open a case and prove me wrong?
[00:08:23] Sergent Stevens: Mm-hmm.
[00:08:23] Scott Jewers: Right? It's that simple, right? I mean, and I'm here presenting this evidence.
I'm a global technical expert. Listen, I've worked for Dalhousie, Research in Motion. I have two references on my file. Canada's national ship builder from directors and managers. I am one of the best, imagine somebody, one of the best coming to you saying We need to sit down and talk. Something happened, and then you just come back and arrest me.
[00:08:45] Sergent Stevens: mmm-hmm
[00:08:45] Scott Jewers: If that's the country we're living in, you see the problem immediately and then the public looking at that, they're saying, holy shit, this guy is so skilled. He's one of the best. He went down to police and look what he did to look what they did to him. So what are they gonna do to us and our families if we go down there?
Everybody already knows the, the longer this goes on and the longer that RCMP doesn't deal with this. It's just justifying the mistrust in police. It's not me. It's justified mistrust. I started out believing in reconciliation. I wholeheartedly trusted the police. Now, I would never tell anybody to believe in reconciliation.
I wouldn't tell anybody to trust the police, and it's all justified. So then I'm looking at this, the abuse seen by these different communities and people thinking that, oh, people were just upset. They did bad things. It's like I didn't do nothing and this is what other people are saying. The police just do all the time.
And now look how casual the police are doing this. That's obviously the behavior and it's just so disappointing as a Canadian who would've, who supported our RCMP, right? I go out, I volunteer, I supported my community. I praised our RCMP for coming out and helping our community, and then seeing the moment what they did to me when they thought they could get away with it.
It's terrifying. I, and it's just, it's just, it's just disappointing. I know that's of no use to you, but just as a, as a human being trying to process this, it's just terrifying to see that that's what they would do. So I under, I can sympathize with these different communities, I can sympathize with different individuals, and I'm finding it extremely difficult to engage with the, with the police and, um,
[00:10:15] Sergent Stevens: yeah.
[00:10:15] Scott Jewers: Yeah,
[00:10:15] Sergent Stevens: yeah.
[00:10:16] Scott Jewers: So
[00:10:16] Sergent Stevens: no, that's, that's fair. I, I, I, I, I apologize that that's your experience, uh, uh, and that you, and obviously that you feel that way, but, uh, like I said, I, I, at the end of the day, I, you know, to answer your question, you do have the right to, to make a complaint. And I guess in terms of my role in all this, I, I do obviously have to. Stay within my lane and, and, and do a
[00:10:36] Scott Jewers: hundred percent
[00:10:36] Sergent Stevens: what my, what my job is. Right? Which is obviously just to investigate, uh, or not just do, but not to downplay it in any way, but to, to investigate the complaint that you made and, uh, and try to. Uh, express your concerns as, as mo, you know, as accurately as possible.
Hey, man. And I know you're in a
[00:10:53] Scott Jewers: really awkward position. Really? Yeah, and I, and like in, in retrospect, I talked about this with people and like my aunt and stuff, I was like, it's so inappropriate that they did this to him. He's just some guy, he doesn't have the tools. I'm gonna walk all over him in this, and then what, who's he gonna take this out on? He's gonna blame me, not. Uh, Dennis Daley, he's not gonna blame those people because I'm the easy target, and that's why I was so concerned that they assigned Musquodoboit Harbour. When I'm making complaints about Sheet Harbor, because I'm sure you guys work with each other sometimes.
[00:11:23] Sergent Stevens: Yeah, yeah. I actually don't work, just, just for clarity, I, I no longer work in Musquodoboit Harbour now, but, um, oh,
[00:11:30] Scott Jewers: okay.
[00:11:30] Sergent Stevens: I work, I work in Sackville. I don't know if that changed. Obviously it may not change your view on it.
[00:11:35] Scott Jewers: Well, no, no. You see why I,
[00:11:36] Sergent Stevens: I did work. I did work in Musquodoboit . Yeah.
[00:11:38] Scott Jewers: Hey, that's, that's good. Thanks for the clarification, man.
[00:11:40] Sergent Stevens: Yeah.
[00:11:40] Scott Jewers: But you, you see why I would be like, why would you do that? Right. If you're getting literal physical threats, like, hey, it's better for all officers to not put them in that situation. Right? Like, it's just way better. So I'm glad that you did clarify because that, that's better because like I was really concerned about that because I'm like, what happens, like if I get pulled over by one of you guys or something, right? Like what, how are we now gonna deal with that situation?
[00:12:05] Sergent Stevens: Mm-hmm.
[00:12:06] Scott Jewers: Right? And I don't, I don't like that. Right? 'cause it's gonna put us all in a awful situation. It's gonna put the court in an awful situation. It's just no, it's not good for anybody.
[00:12:15] Sergent Stevens: Yeah. So, no, I, I understand.
[00:12:17] Scott Jewers: Yeah. So like, yeah, man. So just know, like, I lost my mother in all of this and they terrorized me the night that my mother died. I want you to really think about that.
[00:12:27] Sergent Stevens: Yeah.
[00:12:28] Scott Jewers: Okay.
[00:12:28] Sergent Stevens: Yeah.
[00:12:28] Scott Jewers: Okay, man. Thank you very much.
[00:12:30] Sergent Stevens: I did, I did read, I did read that then that thing there. So I, I, I do have, I do know some of the details of it, so.
[00:12:37] Scott Jewers: Yep.
[00:12:37] Sergent Stevens: Um, yeah, I'll keep that. I will obviously keep that in mind and, and I'm sorry that you went through that and, uh.
Like we said, what my plan is, is I'm gonna document everything, um, you know, based on what you've told me and to the best of my ability, you know, investigate kind of what we have, and then at the end of the day it'll be, it will be passed up the chain. And, um, you know, I guess they'll make a determination if, uh, anything further happens or, uh, if there is recourse for what's occurred and stuff like that.
But, uh, like we said, I'll try my best to, to be accurate as possible and, and. And paint the full picture for them. So
[00:13:12] Scott Jewers: yeah, no, hey man, and just like, do what You can just know like that. Like if I'm like, I have no other choice but to protect myself in this. So like if you hear me like talking, I'm like pushing back or whatever, or if you contact me, it's, it's nothing at all personal.
It's just like,
[00:13:26] Sergent Stevens: yeah,
[00:13:27] Scott Jewers: I have been so attacked and like slandered. Imagine being one of the smartest people and having people talk down to you like that. And you're being kind, you're prepared. It's just, it's just so beyond inappropriate. Like it's not even,
[00:13:42] Sergent Stevens: yeah.
[00:13:42] Scott Jewers: Yeah. It's, it's, it's just, it's awful. So, yeah.
Thank you very much for your efforts. I won't call you and bother you again. I just wanted to ask that basic question, and it wasn't a trick question. I, I mean, I contacted privacy commissioner. They said, you gotta contact the police. I contacted the police. They said, you gotta contact the police. AI says, contact the police.
The law says contact the police. That's what I did. And look what they did. That's what I mean. Right. And it's like, okay, so then we, yeah. Alright. Thank you very much.
[00:14:08] Sergent Stevens: Yeah. Alright. Thank you Scott. I, I appreciate your time, thank you.
[00:14:11] Scott Jewers: Thank you. Bye.
[00:14:11] Sergent Stevens: Okay, bye now. Bye.