2023-12-12 16-52-59 RCMP Civilian Review Corporal Stevens

[00:00:00] Scott Jewers: Okay, call to RCMP, uh, Musquodoboit Harbour Corporal Stevens regarding, um, the public complaint.

[00:00:25] Sergent Stevens: Sergeant Stevens.

[00:00:26] Scott Jewers: Hi, uh, Mr. Stevens. This is Scott Jewers. How are you?

[00:00:29] Sergent Stevens: Oh, hey Scott. How you doing?

[00:00:30] Scott Jewers: I'm doing pretty good, man. How are you doing?

[00:00:32] Sergent Stevens: I'm doing good, man. We haven't, we haven't had much, much luck, uh, contacting each other there for the last little while there.

[00:00:38] Scott Jewers: Yeah. Yeah. And to be honest, that was, that was my fault.

Okay. I didn't know how to deal with this and,

[00:00:43] Sergent Stevens: Ok, no, that's fine.

[00:00:44] Scott Jewers: Um, most, uh, lawyers told me not to even speak with the police, so I had to really think about what my next move was before I

[00:00:50] Sergent Stevens: Okay. That's fair.

[00:00:52] Scott Jewers: Okay.

[00:00:52] Sergent Stevens: That's fair.

[00:00:52] Scott Jewers: I'm sorry about that. It was nothing to do with you, so. Yeah,

[00:00:55] Sergent Stevens: no, you don't, you don't have to apologize, Scott, at all. I'm, um, no, it's all good. I just wanted to, you know, obviously I'm still looking into that matter and, uh, um, I guess I'm kind of at the point now where I, I kind of need to speak to you about it or either proceed without speaking to, you know, depending on what, uh, your wishes are or what your, uh. You know, obviously depending on what your lawyers and stuff have told you, and you obviously don't need to disclose any of that information to me. Um, but are you still interested in talking to me about what happened or,

[00:01:24] Scott Jewers: um, I, uh, I have, I have one question from you, Mr. Stevens, and I think that it will, it'll answer every other question that we're looking at. Okay. Sure. Um, I think it'll set the, the, I I'd said, asked you if you had watched that video I'd done on Cambridge Analytic and whatever. So I just have, I have one question for the public complaint. Okay. Okay. I'd like to know, I'd like to know how my GPS location got set to 9 3 3 0. Still water Nova Scotia.

[00:01:51] Sergent Stevens: How your GPS have no idea, buddy. I, I, I, I don't know anything about that.

[00:01:57] Scott Jewers: I know. And that's the, that's at the core of this complaint, because then when I found the individual, I found pictures of them at Irving Ship Building and I found some extremely concerning information about this property, um, and the individuals at it. So this is at the core of the complaint. Now I am a global technical expert. I don't know if they listed that in your, uh. Report, and this does involve csis, it involves the Prime Minister, the chief of police has already resigned. Like this is serious. Now this,

[00:02:21] Sergent Stevens: yep.

[00:02:21] Scott Jewers: Now this location here, right. My GPS location was set there, so,

[00:02:26] Sergent Stevens: okay.

[00:02:27] Scott Jewers: That needs to be clarified.

[00:02:30] Sergent Stevens: Okay. So you're saying your GPS location was, was set to, where is it?

[00:02:34] Scott Jewers: 9 3 3 0. Highway number seven. Stillwater, Nova Scotia. 41 kilometers from where I live.

So nine, sorry. Nine three. Three zero Highway. Seven

Stillwater,

[00:02:47] Sergent Stevens: um, Stillwater.

[00:02:48] Scott Jewers: That's right.

[00:02:49] Sergent Stevens: Okay. Um, GPS location was set to that location.

[00:02:54] Scott Jewers: That's right. And then when looking up the land records, I found the owner and I found pictures of the, at Irving ship building. And then going back further in the records, I will tell you this seems like it was a, a building that got transferred, department of National Defense. So this is really serious. Like I think they were running some sort of operation outta there, and I don't know if th this was an artifact and I wasn't supposed to see it, or somebody wanted to derail a federal investigation.

[00:03:20] Sergent Stevens: Okay.

[00:03:20] Scott Jewers: Because they know how smart I am and anybody who pointed me at that address knows I would've found it.

[00:03:25] Sergent Stevens: Okay.

[00:03:26] Scott Jewers: Okay.

[00:03:27] Sergent Stevens: Okay.

[00:03:27] Scott Jewers: Literally.

[00:03:28] Sergent Stevens: That's fair. Um,

[00:03:29] Scott Jewers: yeah, so

[00:03:30] Sergent Stevens: I mean, I guess just to be, you know, just to be clear, um,

[00:03:34] Scott Jewers: yeah,

[00:03:34] Sergent Stevens: again, Scott, just in terms of, I guess what my role in all this is, is,

[00:03:38] Scott Jewers: yeah.

[00:03:38] Sergent Stevens: Um, you know, I am, I am in charge of investigating, um, any wrongdoing by the police. Um, not obviously in charge of investigating any. Um, you know, federal crimes or anything like that. Um,

[00:03:53] Scott Jewers: no, no, that's fine. That's, that's,

[00:03:54] Sergent Stevens: there are, there are avenues for, you know, that being investigated. I'm just inside, uh, you know, assigned the investigation related to the public complaint that you made through the CRC.

[00:04:04] Scott Jewers: No, absolutely man. Um, absolutely. And that can be part of your, your report or whatever, however you answer this. I understand that. I do. Yep. Uh, the, the problem is, is that I did bring this up with our RCMP in Sheet Harbor.

[00:04:15] Sergent Stevens: Okay.

[00:04:16] Scott Jewers: And, uh, she didn't record it. She didn't look into it or anything like that. And then they threatened me. And that's what you got in the recording there. And uh, yeah, so like that's where I'm headed with this, so I want them to answer that question. If none of you can answer that question, we got a serious problem.

[00:04:33] Sergent Stevens: So you're saying that you brought up the GPS location thing that you just mentioned to Sheet Harbor,

[00:04:39] Scott Jewers: RCMP

[00:04:40] Sergent Stevens: and they never looked, they never looked into it.

[00:04:42] Scott Jewers: That's right. Told me I wasn't allowed to open a case.

[00:04:45] Sergent Stevens: Okay, well, okay, well, and then, and who and who was that? Like obviously Sheet Harbor, there's different members that work there. Who, who was it you're speaking? Are you speaking about one particular member or,

[00:04:54] Scott Jewers: well, yes, Jessica. RCMP, sheet Harbor.

[00:04:58] Sergent Stevens: Okay. Okay. I'm just writing some stuff down here, so,

[00:05:03] Scott Jewers: yeah, no problem. And you know, that's, that's as far as I'll go with with that. So I mean, if, I mean, there should be an easy answer to that, and if there's not an easy answer to that, I'm going to win every time. Hands down.

[00:05:16] Sergent Stevens: Um,

[00:05:17] Scott Jewers: okay.

[00:05:18] Sergent Stevens: Okay. I, I, I'll obviously document that as part of the, you know, the investigation and stuff. I, I, I mean,

[00:05:23] Scott Jewers: yep.

[00:05:24] Sergent Stevens: I guess the, the big, the big question I have to answer now is, you know, I obviously have all of your, um, you know, for the most part, all of the stuff that you provided to the CRC and, and the. The links to the videos and, and the writings and stuff that you provided. And, and I, I have had a chance to, you know, review those.

Obviously there's a lot of information in there, but I tried, I tried my best to review those. But I guess moving forward from here, just in terms of solidifying where we go from here and, and how I investigate it, like, you know, it's obviously important that I, I do. You know, try to get an actual formal statement from you if that's something you're interested in doing. I, again, I understand if you're not, um, where, where do you stand on that, Scott?

[00:06:04] Scott Jewers: Um, I, I don't, you know what, at this point, I don't really trust meeting with the police.

[00:06:10] Sergent Stevens: Okay.

[00:06:11] Scott Jewers: Um, it could be some sort of probable cause. Right. And I know that sounds paranoid, but given that they, I was threatened and given this level of information and the amount of gain from it, I don't think that it's really responsible for me to drive up there and sit in a room with you.

[00:06:23] Sergent Stevens: Okay.

[00:06:24] Scott Jewers: All right. And that, that's where I'm, and because like the last time that I did think about what RCMP actually did, and she wouldn't answer that question,

[00:06:32] Sergent Stevens: right.

[00:06:33] Scott Jewers: So I've got, I've got reason to not want to, and it's nothing personal against you there, so, yeah,

[00:06:37] Sergent Stevens: no, no, that's fine. I don't take it personally. I stopped doing that a long time ago, so

Yeah, I got, yeah, uh, uh, too hard of a job if I do so. Um, but, um, okay, so I'll write that down. And I guess, you know, in terms of, um.

[00:06:52] Scott Jewers: Resolution. Here's my, here's my expected resolution. I expect Dennis Daley to resign, and I expect Jessica and RCMP sheet harbour to resign.

[00:07:02] Sergent Stevens: Okay?

[00:07:03] Scott Jewers: Yep.

[00:07:09] Sergent Stevens: Okay.

[00:07:09] Scott Jewers: I also expect Kristen, or I expect that Jessica and RCMP sheet harbour, there will be a criminal investigation into her actions and the threat, but I can't control that, but that's part of what I'm requesting. Okay.

[00:07:19] Sergent Stevens: Okay.

[00:07:20] Scott Jewers: That's it. That's basically it. So, I mean, it's like really simple, simple questions. And if we can get past the GPS question, if you can provide me an answer with that, man, I'll sit down, I'll talk with whatever you want. But if we can't get past that point, then it's not safe for me and it's not safe for you and your superior should be the ones answering this.

[00:07:36] Sergent Stevens: Right.

[00:07:37] Scott Jewers: Right. Exactly. So I don't, I just don't want this to compromise you or your job.

Right. Like I really don't.

[00:07:42] Sergent Stevens: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:07:43] Scott Jewers: It's, I know how it sounds, man, but my, my primary concern is that like Dennis Daley should never have allowed this to get to this point. They should have answered this question on the side and dealt with this. Um, so I think that this is really sloppy to allow me to gather so much information because this is just gonna look worse and worse on RCMP when we could have resolved this a long time ago.

[00:08:01] Sergent Stevens: Right

[00:08:01] Scott Jewers: So that, that was my thing, man. I don't have any problems with police. Nothing before this. You will find nothing in my record or anything like that. Right. Like, I have no problems. I know people can be idiots. I can't imagine what it's like to be a police officer and having to deal with people just like what you were saying.

I see it. I live in the country. I know what kind of people are out there, man. So I don't have a problem. I wouldn't want to go outta my way to make your life more difficult, but I'm also not gonna let them frame you at the same time. Okay.

[00:08:27] Sergent Stevens: Right, right.

[00:08:28] Scott Jewers: Put this on you.

[00:08:29] Sergent Stevens: Yeah, no, no. And that, and that's fair. I guess I, you know, I, I guess just, just to be.

You know, entirely clear, and, and I, I've said this before and you're obviously, you know, you're a smart guy and you understand what I'm saying, like, I, I, I can obviously, um, like I said, there's, there's obviously a lot of things at play here, and, and, and you know, like I said, you've mentioned, uh, you know, um, you know, wrongdoing by, you know, several departments and things like that and things not being taken care of and stuff.

And, and, uh, I, you know, I obviously can't really weigh in on those 'cause I have no. Uh, you know, I have no, uh, you know, jurisdiction with respect to, you know, how other, um, agencies and stuff do their thing and their, their quality assurance and that type of thing. I'm, I'm obviously just. Uh, strictly dealing with, you know, the RCMP side of it, and if we did anything incorrectly and, and obviously if we can resolve it and, um, you know, you've obviously just mentioned a couple things that

[00:09:27] Scott Jewers: Yeah, I, I did ask RCMP probably 15 times to allow me to open a case.

[00:09:34] Sergent Stevens: Okay.

[00:09:35] Scott Jewers: That's right. So I mean, like when it comes down to this, I tried to resolve it quietly. I asked somebody to please speak with me because again, man, I'm a global technical expert. I need to know why I seen that address, because like when you look at where I was working, production engineering at JD Irving, this is serious.

If there was a party involved that wanted me to see that address to derail an investigation, this is really, fuck, this is serious. This is something that, that Dennis Dailey needs to be answering himself. So I get, I get your point. I do. But I'm sure I'm just explaining why I find this so important, right?

[00:10:08] Sergent Stevens: Yeah.

[00:10:09] Scott Jewers: Is that because we did do a serious investigation into harassment and fraud at JD Irving, and during that period I found my GPS location set to this residence. Do you hear what I'm saying?

[00:10:20] Sergent Stevens: You said you, you said that you say that address is, is associated to an old Irving building or a current one.

Did you say I, I missed I

[00:10:29] Scott Jewers: Oh yeah, no worries, man. It's actually two buildings down from a Department of National Resources building, and if you go back into about 89, you can see when it was switched over. If you go back through the land records,

[00:10:42] Sergent Stevens: 9 3 3 0 highway seven.

[00:10:44] Scott Jewers: That's right.

[00:10:45] Sergent Stevens: Is is two. Two doors down from an old national defense building. Is that what you

[00:10:48] Scott Jewers: It's not national defense. It's DNR

[00:10:50] Sergent Stevens: Oh, DNR. Oh, say

[00:10:51] Scott Jewers: that's right.

[00:10:52] Sergent Stevens: Two doors down.

[00:10:53] Scott Jewers: So like there's this direct correlation with this property, with government resources, and given that there are few government officials involved who might know about this address, I'm worried about how I came to know about this.

[00:11:05] Sergent Stevens: Right,

[00:11:06] Scott Jewers: and 'cause like I got, I got some really sick feelings here, man. And I think that by the end of it, by the time we get that question answered, I think you're gonna be just as concerned as I am because I got a feeling I know who it was and what they were doing, but I can't prove anything. All I can do is say, look, how else did I find this address right?

And then all these correlations with the Department of National Defense and these contracts and everything. I, I don't know, ma'am. They were scouting me. Okay. I did do a job interview at the, uh, CSIS Nest in Halifax.

[00:11:35] Sergent Stevens: Okay.

[00:11:36] Scott Jewers: Right. So I was being sced for these, this type of position. So I don't know what these people are doing. I've even got military ips connecting to my computer, so I need to know exactly what they were doing. If nobody can answer these questions, then you see what I mean? It's like, I mean,

[00:11:50] Sergent Stevens: yeah. Ah, well, I think that, I think that's where the, the prob probably the problem lies in the impasse in terms of where we go from here is like, I, I, I'm, I'm, I can tell you right now, like I, I'm not gonna be able to answer that question, um, be because I'm not, obviously not investigating stuff that, you know, potentially CSIS have done or, or other government agencies.

Right. And I think that's where the problem lies is, I mean, I'm obviously willing to investigate, um, you know. The, you know, wrong being, doing on the behalf of the RCMP or failing to, you know, um, you know, open a, open a file or whatever the case is. I can obviously investigate that. It just makes it somewhat difficult when I don't entirely, I mean, I can, I can somewhat piece together, um, from, from your readings and what you've told me here, like obviously that, um, you tried to open the case and, and, uh, and.

You were, you were denied that. Um, yeah, which would obviously be, and it's something that I would look into, but without having kind of the full detail of that particular, um, you know, those particular, uh, details, it, it's hard for me to really,

[00:13:01] Scott Jewers: well, like, I understand what you're saying, but you know very well that this is a very, this is a good question, right?

So your very first statement, is Scott making a good question? Is this a valid question? Yes, it is.

[00:13:12] Sergent Stevens: Okay.

[00:13:13] Scott Jewers: That's right. So when the police were asked that valid question, how did they respond? They failed me. They failed this community, they failed this problem.

[00:13:21] Sergent Stevens: Which, which, which question are you, are you talking about

[00:13:23] Scott Jewers: how my GPS location get set to that residence and why they failed to open a case in regards to all the other evidence that was being submitted? Those are good questions. Why would RCMP do something like that?

[00:13:33] Sergent Stevens: Right.

[00:13:34] Scott Jewers: If I'm crazy or there's something wrong with me, then you should be able to open a case, prove me wrong, and that's the end of it, right?

[00:13:40] Sergent Stevens: Yeah. Yeah. No, I, I'm not, I'm

not.

[00:13:42] Scott Jewers: So when we talk about wrongdoing, the reason they didn't wanna open a case is because they know I'm right and they didn't wanna face their superiors in this.

That's what I suspect's going on. So in, in that case, is it just right for police to do that and then threaten me and, you know, all these other issues? No, it's not right. That is police wrongdoing and the public's going to agree with that, right? Mm-hmm. And that's what I'm stating about this. This is gonna come down to public perception.

When they see this address and they see how our RCMP acted. Do you think there's gonna be a level of public trust with RCMP and say, you guys handled this properly and they would trust you? No.

[00:14:12] Sergent Stevens: Mm-hmm

[00:14:13] Scott Jewers: They won't. And that's what I'm stating why this is so serious. And if you don't address this fundamental question, the public is gonna say no. You can't even answer his basic question. How can we trust you? In all other matters, this guy has acted appropriately. He's tried to speak with you, he's presented this evidence logically. He's a global technical expert. And if you guys can't get past the basic technical point. And I'm way past that. Then it's like, how can RCMP sit there and say that, no, they didn't fail me in this case, right?

I'm literally a global technical expert. Spoon feeding yah's, you see, see what I mean? This, it doesn't make sense and it is important to answer this question. Okay? So that, that's where I'm at and I mean, if you can answer that for me. Hey, we can sit down, we can talk for days.

Yeah, well, I mean,

[00:14:55] Sergent Stevens: I'm, I'm obviously nowhere close to as well versed as you when it comes to that type of stuff. And I mean, I, I can tell you right now that based on what I have right now, I'm, I'm not gonna be able to give you an answer about that 'cause I just don't know enough about it. And again, um.

[00:15:11] Scott Jewers: It's

purpose.

[00:15:12] Sergent Stevens: I I have to, you know, it, it, it, there you're, you know, alleging, you know, different organ organizations and things like that, which I'm not privy to, kind of how they do things and, and if they are doing anything, uh, for that matter.

But

[00:15:25] Scott Jewers: No, no, no, no, no, no. And I understand. I'm not trying to get you to investigate anything else. Listen, man. Yeah. What you remember when everything happened with George Floyd? Right? Alright, so that was just after everything happened with this investigation at JD Irving and they mocked . They mocked racism and harassment right now. I went up and I protested at the corner in Ecum Secum. I'm 41 kilometers from a police station in either direction. Two RCMP members showed up, driving back and forth. It was so bad that the community members were terrified and said, we're not gonna leave you alone. Why are they acting like this? Why are they acting like this?

It was in a newspaper. So when we talk about police wrongdoing and the way that they approach this and what police might be covering up and what our RCMP Sheet Harbor might specifically be covering up, I've got a picture of one of their RCMP vests, Mr. Stevens. So, I mean, this is serious, right?

[00:16:14] Sergent Stevens: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:16:15] Scott Jewers: So.

[00:16:16] Sergent Stevens: Uh huh.

[00:16:18] Scott Jewers: Yeah. So,

[00:16:18] Sergent Stevens: no, I, I, I understand. So,

[00:16:20] Scott Jewers: so it's not one set of issues and now you say, well, Scott, how did they know where you were? Well, the most reasonable reason that my GPS location was set to 9 3 3 0 Stillwater Nova Scotia was spyware. Any technologist will tell you the same. The privacy commissioner has confirmed.

That's right. So then did RCMP show up that day stalking me because of spyware? These are good questions.

[00:16:42] Sergent Stevens: Yeah.

[00:16:43] Scott Jewers: Right. So, so I mean, this is all part of a broader complaint. We need to know about this GPS location because then if you can answer that, that'll tell us everything else we need to know about the, about the problem. Why did, how did RCMP did they just happen to show up 41 kilometers away from maybe, why'd act like that? Right. So we got se we got serious questions that need to be answered and I've got the, and I can show my GPS was set there, which is definitely indicating there might have been spyware. So, you know, there's these different questions about possible police wrongdoing stalking up and down the road. I've got a picture of a police officer's vest. So I mean, like this is, how many people have ever contacted you with this kind of evidence? Probably nobody.

[00:17:21] Sergent Stevens: Yeah,

[00:17:23] Scott Jewers: so like we could, so if we can't get past that GPS location, we'll never be able to answer this. And I think that the public's gonna get stuck on that question too, right?

'cause that's where I'm headed. I'm gonna literally walk through Halifax with a sign asking how my GPS got set to 9 3 3 0, still water Nova Scotia. So hundreds of thousands of people are gonna see these records. They're gonna be asking the same questions of Halifax, uh, police. Okay?

[00:17:44] Sergent Stevens: When you, when you say your GPS, are you speaking about like the GPS on your phone? Is that what you're about? You got it.

[00:17:50] Scott Jewers: That's right, man. So that's right. So you wanna know what I did? I'll, I'll be honest with you. Okay. I was laying on my bed here. Okay. Yeah. You know what Grindr is? I'm a Gay bro. So it's a gay, it's a, it's a hookup app for dudes. Okay.

[00:18:02] Sergent Stevens: Okay.

[00:18:02] Scott Jewers: So I seen a guy that I liked. I was like, oh, I'm gonna send my location, right?

[00:18:07] Sergent Stevens: Mm-hmm.

[00:18:07] Scott Jewers: Little frisky.

[00:18:07] Sergent Stevens: Yep.

[00:18:08] Scott Jewers: And I noticed my GPS location was set to this house.

[00:18:12] Sergent Stevens: Okay.

[00:18:13] Scott Jewers: And I'm like, well that's weird, isn't it? So I rebooted my phone and I checked Google Maps. Guess where my location still showed?

[00:18:19] Sergent Stevens: Yeah, the Stillwater one. You

[00:18:20] Scott Jewers: right in their fucking living room, buddy.

[00:18:23] Sergent Stevens: Okay.

[00:18:24] Scott Jewers: That's right. So I mean, like I did the testing. I then verified the land records I've associated with these EMIC contracts and stuff, and that comes back to these core issues with JD Irving and stuff and what they did and why the police acted the way they did. And, uh, you know, and then why didn't they take this complaint seriously? Why didn't they gather evidence? Why didn't they just allow me to open a case to disprove, you know, the core facts of it? So that's what I mean in terms of police wrongdoing and stuff. Right. And, uh, yeah. So, yeah.

[00:18:51] Sergent Stevens: Okay. Okay. Alright. Well, what I'll do, what I'll do, Scott, is I'm gonna, I'm gonna write this up and I'm gonna submit it. Um. You know, to the powers that be. And they'll obviously make a determination if there, you know, if there is wrongdoing and stuff. I think I, you know, without having a formal statement from you, I have a sense of kind of. What your concerns are and where you're kinda, where your head is with it and stuff. And I

[00:19:11] Scott Jewers: mm-hmm.

[00:19:12] Sergent Stevens: Um, you know, I'll, I'll forward it. Uh, uh, I said I'll write it up and I'll forward it off the, off the chain and, um, I guess someone will make a determination if, uh, you know, if there is any, um, any wrongdoing and, and, and kind of go from there. But somebody will be, will be in touch with you.

That process usually takes a while. So, uh, and it's obviously a lot of stuff for me to kind of. Uh, I try to summarize too, so I'll do my best to try to get that done in the next little while and, and, uh, you know, ho hopefully it'll be a, a resolution that you're, you're happy with. But again, that'll be, um, kind of outta my control and, uh, in, in the powers that be's hands basically.

So

[00:19:50] Scott Jewers: I, I know, and just make note that I'm asking Jessica in Sheet Harbor to resign, and I'm asking Dennis Daley to resign. And we'll ask for Mike Duheme to resign the commissioner for Canada.

[00:20:00] Sergent Stevens: Mike, du okay? Yeah.

[00:20:00] Scott Jewers: Yep.

[00:20:00] Sergent Stevens: Uh, alright, I'm gonna put that in your request as well.

[00:20:03] Scott Jewers: Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that.

[00:20:05] Sergent Stevens: Yep.

[00:20:06] Scott Jewers: Alright, ma'am. Well, you know what you do, do what you can. Okay?

[00:20:08] Sergent Stevens: Thanks for calling. Yep. Thanks for calling me back, Scott. I do appreciate your time.

[00:20:11] Scott Jewers: No problem. Good luck with this man. Really good luck. Okay,

[00:20:15] Sergent Stevens: thanks. Okay, bye.

[00:20:16] Scott Jewers: Bye.